tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post4860535461926029157..comments2024-03-24T11:30:08.199-07:00Comments on Can you believe?: Innocence, part twoJohan Maurerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13771067774042071617noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-73933865193895818492007-05-24T05:44:00.000-07:002007-05-24T05:44:00.000-07:00Johan, I pray that you and Rebecca will feel the L...Johan, I pray that you and Rebecca will feel the Lord guiding your steps as you help in the FUM process this July. May it be a time of both love and truth. May you be able to help all the Board members to stand in God's grace and love, putting aside their personal frustrations and those within the bodies that appointed them. May all free themselves from their agendas, and those of their YMs, and open themselves up fully to God's agenda, regardless of whether or not that turns out to be what they expect.<BR/><BR/>What I remember best from my one semester at the ill-fated Martin Luther King Jr. School of Social Change was a professor's comment that "There is no love without risk." He went on to say that the risk is worth it.<BR/><BR/>We are called to be vulnerable. The ultimate example of vulnerability is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. May we learn from and follow His example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-14838385953742305882007-05-18T22:08:00.000-07:002007-05-18T22:08:00.000-07:00Thank you, Jeremy. The report of the NYYM represen...Thank you, Jeremy. The report of the NYYM representatives is <A HREF="http://www.nyym.org/pubs/FUMRepsReport0704.pdf" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>Here's Lumsk's <A HREF="http://www.myspace.com/lumsk" REL="nofollow">Mypage presence</A> with more videos. And <A HREF="http://autonom.motpol.nu/index.php/2007/03/04/om-hundfrede-aar-er-alting-glemt-hamsun-tolket-av-lumsk/" REL="nofollow">here </A>is a page with a translation of the Hamsun poem.<BR/><BR/>My grandfather Knut, a civilian sea captain, spent the war years as a lieutenant in the resistance army, helping save fugitives. Despite the efforts of people like him, the postwar Jewish population of Norway was only about a third of its prewar size. See the article "<A HREF="http://www.dmt.oslo.no/english/jews-in-norway/" REL="nofollow">Jews in Norway.</A>" That was a far different, incomparably sadder outcome than Danish Jews experienced. The difference, in part, was that practically the whole Danish nation refused to participate in the Holocaust.Johan Maurerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13771067774042071617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-84730531018242748742007-05-18T21:28:00.000-07:002007-05-18T21:28:00.000-07:00Dear Johan, For many liberal Friends--I'm sure you...Dear Johan, For many liberal Friends--I'm sure you will agree--the fact that most evangelical Friends are intolerant of homosexuality is profoundly disturbing. Here is Quaker lost innocence at its worst.<BR/><BR/>Please read (if you haven't already) and advertise (with a link) the report of New York Yearly Meeting's representatives to the recent FUM general board meetings in Kenya. Here, I think, is Quaker discernment at its best. Good old New York Yearly Meeting. We will never leave Friends United Meeting, unless we're thrown out. This is costing us many members and attenders, but it is the only honest course: to try to square the circle and represent (as we have since 1955) both the universalist and Christian sides of Quakerism.<BR/><BR/>The report, signed by Christopher Sammond, Carol Holmes, and Dick Goodman, is found in URL <A HREF="http://www.nyym.org" REL="nofollow">www.nyym.org</A>.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your message on Norway in your boyhood. Will you replace what YouTubes covered up? Will you translate the Norwegian song for us? Lost innocence indeed. I read recently that during WWII the Norwegian military and police rounded up two-thirds of the Jews of their country and turned them over to the Germans for transport to the death camps. Not only Denmark did much better, but also Italy and France. And now the U.S.A. is deeply involved in torture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-56608577454890705572007-05-18T06:55:00.000-07:002007-05-18T06:55:00.000-07:00I think I first realized this either in group ther...I think I first realized this either in group therapy or in doing pastoral care, as I listened to people whose relationships had gone sour. Often it was because of a partner's betrayal, and they'd say something like "Why did I let myself be fooled" or "used" .... I deeply yearned to honor the idealism of their love, which bears so much, even as I also had to affirm their courage in looking at the truth of the relationship's unsustainability or toxicity. I admire that capacity to love and bear the cost of love, even though the cost should never be unmerited guilt or shame. It's a delicate balance that no formula can preserve--sort of like the difference between being a fool for Christ and a damn fool.Johan Maurerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13771067774042071617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-10770466021514544172007-05-18T06:43:00.000-07:002007-05-18T06:43:00.000-07:00After a while, I began to realize "you don't have ...After a while, I began to realize "you don't have to choose between recognizing reality and honoring ideals".<BR/><BR/>This is a great phrase, it goes into my quotation list... Sometime I'd love to hear more about how you got there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com