tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post5191581558780756903..comments2024-03-24T11:30:08.199-07:00Comments on Can you believe?: Recording ministers; calling pastorsJohan Maurerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13771067774042071617noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-66667522706749776612007-06-20T11:20:00.000-07:002007-06-20T11:20:00.000-07:00Thanks, Johan...a thorough explanation, from what ...Thanks, Johan...a thorough explanation, from what I've read about recording. I am one who asked to be recorded for 2 years while I studied with the Seventh-day Adventists, so as to feel grounded in my own tradition and Meeting and because they understand ministers who want to study with them yet not be converted. And when I concluded the ministry, Ministry & Counsel wrote a minute to the Business Meeting ending the "recording."Kim Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162070006884922210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-79541680942497687012007-06-17T19:22:00.000-07:002007-06-17T19:22:00.000-07:00Thanks for these comments. Zach A., your reading i...Thanks for these comments. Zach A., your reading is way ahead of mine. I do remember being impressed by the way London Yearly Meeting studied the issue before deciding to discontinue the recording of ministers (although I don't agree with the conclusions they reached). I mention this decision from 1924 in my Canadian YM <A HREF="http://johanpdx.googlepages.com/publicministryamongfriends" REL="nofollow">article</A> on the pastoral ministry, but my memory has faded on what the London YM minute book actually says. My impression is that the discussion there would support your thesis.<BR/><BR/>I remember two more recent discussions on the merits (or lack thereof) of recording ministers--discussions from Ohio Valley Yearly Meeting in the 1980's, centering on the issue of equality, and in the 1990's in Canadian YM, where I noticed a lot of resistance to the use of the word "ministry" among Friends. One of the oddest concerns, to my mind, was around recording ministers for the purpose of access to prisons. Someone said, with a negative connotation, that this would not be ministry to Friends. My inner curmudgeon said, "We need more Friends in prison." The idea that ministry is primarily to be directed to people who are already Friends is not one I can accept.<BR/><BR/>JohanJohan Maurerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13771067774042071617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-73066877034761220902007-06-16T20:20:00.000-07:002007-06-16T20:20:00.000-07:00Thanks Johan for enlightening me on the concept of...Thanks Johan for enlightening me on the concept of the recorded minister among Friends. Coming from a liturgical tradition and now in an unprogrammed Beanite meeting, I had wondered about the similarities/differences to other traditions of calling discernment. I was confirmed in believing that "ordination" this ain't but something much more organic- good and Quaker. Appreciate the continued blues clips- there isn't anything better to get to the essentials of the spirit/flesh struggles and joys.( Saturday Blues playing on the local NPR as I write this) Later PatrickPatrick Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07526719850191169897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-49702130573563863452007-06-15T18:45:00.000-07:002007-06-15T18:45:00.000-07:00I'm so glad you found this useful. Sometimes it's ...I'm so glad you found this useful. Sometimes it's hard to know when I'm helping to demystify things that might be unnecessarily mysterious, and when I am just saying stuff everybody already knows! *S*Johan Maurerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13771067774042071617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7217199.post-74878507301658403972007-06-15T14:13:00.000-07:002007-06-15T14:13:00.000-07:00Thanks for explaining this process and language Jo...Thanks for explaining this process and language Johan. I have wondered about the specifics of this in other yearly meetings, as well as my own. And how fun is that clip; mastery and fun, what a great combination. That speaks to me today.anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10907362042684864253noreply@blogger.com