04 June 2026

A debate worth having

Render unto Caesar... 'Denarius of the Emperor Tiberius, commonly referred to as "the Tribute Penny".' Source.

St Peter (7th century icon). Source.

A recent exchange on Facebook began with a quotation from U.S. Senate candidate James Talarico:

We as Christians are called to do more than charity. We are called to challenge the system that made the charity necessary.

The response:

Christians are never called to change systems. We are called to change ourselves.

The next two participants in the exchange explained why they felt that Christians should challenge systems. I have my own reasons for agreeing with them, but before I go into those reasons, I want to say why that "never called to change systems" commenter should also be heard.

We are called to change ourselves, and to be changed by our relationship with God. In his preface to George Fox's JournalWilliam Penn put it this way, describing the marks of authenticity among early Quakers:

I. They were changed men [sic] themselves before they went about to change others. Their hearts were rent as well as their garments; and they knew the power and work of God upon them. And this was seen by the great alteration it made, and their stricter course of life, and more godly conversation, that immediately followed upon it.

II. They went not forth, or preached in their own time or will, but in the will of God, and spoke not their own studied matter, but as they were opened and moved of his Spirit, with which they were well acquainted in their own conversion.

It was in this spirit that George Fox testified that "Christ has come to teach his people himself." In this same spirit, he resisted persuasive invitations to join the Commonwealth forces in the civil war against the forces of Charles I. If he had agreed, he would have been freed from prison. While he was still in that prison, he also felt led to protest against capital punishment for minor crimes, and (not surprisingly) against cruel prison conditions.

These are the points that perhaps the "never called to change systems" commenter and I might agree on:

  • Being Christian is not a solo act. In changing ourselves and our world, we are part of a community that prays and studies and offers discernment to each of us, activists as well as those of other temperaments. "... And the spirits of prophets are subject to the prophets," 1 Corinthians 14:32, context.
  • Most people struggling for revolutionary change sooner or later resort to coercion. For those called by Jesus to love their enemies, and by Paul never to return evil for evil, the illusion that we can make others' lives better through force, whatever the driving ideology, is not an option.
  • It is also not an option to label something "Christian" with manipulative intent, trading on the emotional strength of religious language, references, behaviors, or symbols when the Holy Spirit is not part of the performance. (See this post for my cautions about using public meetings for worship in a protest context.)

On the other hand, here are some of the reasons Christians (when mutually accountable to each other) should work on the level of systems as well as selves.

  • Paul's letter to the Ephesians, in chapter six, has a famous passage about spiritual warfare and "the whole armor of God." "...Our struggle is not against blood and flesh but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6:12). We are called to identify and oppose bondages of all kinds, on a systemic level, but only after having the "whole armor" for what we Quakers have sometimes called "the Lamb's War."
  • Within the mutually respectful and mutually accountable division of labor that is the Church, some of us are prophets. The biblical model of prophecy includes announcing God's judgment and God's promises to all who will listen—sometimes a whole city, sometimes a whole country, sometimes a whole generation. The rest of us may have gifts that overlap into prophecy (such as the gift of evangelism), but all of us are part of the prophets' discerning community.
  • Jesus told us to "Give therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and to God the things that are God’s." As citizens we participate in our country's support and governance, in part by obeying laws and paying taxes, and in many countries, doing our part to choose our leaders. Although we are working as citizens to preserve some systems and perhaps to change others, our values and ethics, and consequently our vision of good governance, reflect our faith as disciples. (NOTE: I'm not saying that Christians are the only ones who have such values and ethics!!) 
  • On a related point: when Caesar trespasses on God's territory—for example, when the authorities told Peter and John that they had to stop speaking or preaching in the name of Jesus—obedience to God takes precedence: Faced with the authority's demands, "... Peter and John replied, 'Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to [God]? You be the judges! As for us, we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.'" (Acts 3:1-4:31.)
  • Finally, on a mundane level, as soon as a congregation (even a house church) actually gathers for worship and education at set times and places, they are interacting with the systems. Do they need permission to meet? Do they own property? Do they require security? Are they allowed to feed people and provide shelter? What happens when they decide to shelter immigrants? Do they stand up for people of other faiths who desire the same freedoms?

This post was prompted by an exchange I saw on Facebook. Now it's your turn; is there anything you'd like to add or correct?


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1 comment:

Marshall Massey said...

I ’d like to offer some small comments, and would welcome your response.

• As regards your quotation from William Penn, it’s worth noting that even when the early Friends went out to change others, they were not going out to change systems. They went out to call others to do what they themselves had done: hear the Guide within them and let themselves be changed by it. It was all about the individual being changed by the Voice in the heart and conscience.

(We might recall what Jesus said about the mote in the other person’s eye, and the log in one’s own.)

• Paul’s comment about the struggle against the rulers, the authorities, the cosmic powers of darkness, and the spiritual forces of evil, doesn’t say we are called to struggle against earthly rulers and authorities. Going by the types of armor we are called to put on, which are all immaterial, it seems more likely he is calling us to struggle against the immaterial (spiritual or psychological) powers that hold us in bondage. Perhaps it is on the same plane as the ransom Jesus paid to free us from sin?

• Did the prophets call on those that heard them to change their economic system and their system of government? Not in the Bible, so far as I can tell. They seem, rather, to have called on their hearers, as individuals, to stop using their power to abuse others.

• There is nothing in Peter’s famous declaration, Acts 5:29, “We ought to obey God, not men,” that equates to, “We must overthrow the system.” Historically, Friends have taken Acts 5:29, in combination with Romans 13:1-7, to mean that if we disobey the human authorities, we must still be subject to them, and suffer whatever penalties they impose. Thus, the early Friends who refused to swear or to tithe, did not flee the jurisdictions they offended, but went to prison (singing psalms on the way).

I know all these points sit uncomfortably with those Quakers who want to overthrow the capitalist system, or the electoral college, or whatever. And I note that the Bible never says, *do not* overthrow the capitalist system, or the electoral college. But there is something in Genesis 11 that seems to warn us against thinking that building a structure to reach heaven is actually what God wants of us.